The Breggins on Robert Malone, Mattias Desmet, Mass Formation and the Very Dangerous Weaponization of Mental Health

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1. https://mattiasdesmet.substack.com/p/am-i-an-expert-in-mass-formation Here is at least, Desmet’s reply to the Breggins’s assessment. It at least gives another side to the story.

   1. Thanks Marcia,

      I’m inclined to think that Desmet is more a poor quality thinker, trying to compose verbose prose in a non-native language, rather than a Dr. Robert Maligne character. It’s why I ditched his book after about 40 pages of guff.

      In contrast, I found this Breggin/Jerm discussion an excellent addition to the discussion with Catherine. His thoughts have focussed, he calls a spade a spade, and seems to have very solid reasoning. I can see why he doesn’t want to engage with Desmet. It would be like wrestling with a slippery fish.

      1. IMHO, all voices are necessary. Whether or not there was mass formation, we as a society (world or local) fell for it, by and large. I don’t care much what it is called, but we all behaved in a way I would have never predicted! Thank you for your insight: I am always interested to hear everyone’s views.

         1. All voices should be free to speak. But not all voices are valuable. Especially those profiled, paid or supported to engineer central control. We do our best to filter them out here because first and foremost, although we believe in free speech, we don’t have to fund disinformation or misleading intelligence on the theory that inclusion is good.. First and foremost your time is precious and you should use it to get the best actionable intelligence possible to live your free and inspired life.

            Gideon did not need a big army. He just needed to limit inclusion to the people who were faithful and competent. That is when miracles happen – when the entire team is in alignment with the divine intelligence.

            1. I am here to learn, like many others. I was not aware that he was ‘profiled, paid or supported to engineer central control.’ As always, I am eager to investigate any claims. I was not advancing his opinion as superior to any others: I was only suggesting there were multiple sides to the discussion. At the end of the day, he is only one opinion. And you know what they say about opinions . . .

2. These interviews are eye opening. I am still having trouble with the Robert Malone connection. He has been such a solid voice of reason. Trying to locate a primary source that connects him with NIH/ACTIV, as America Out Loud suggests (funny, my phone spontaneously shut down as I researched). I’ll be interested to see if/how he responds to the Breggins…

   1. Hi Julie,

      Robert Malone on Joe Rogan (Notes from 2022.01.01)

      Malone is very interesting, and Rogan is an excellent interviewer, but

      Since Malone says he::
      – was onto C19 almost before we hit 2020
      – has years of experience in Vaccine development
      – was involved in developing Zika and Ebola vaccines
      – has years of experience in vaccine testing
      – has contacts in CIA, Anthony Fauci etc. etc.
      … if just one quarter of RFK’s book is to be believed, then Malone comes from inside an absolute snake pit. Inside, Insider, Insidious.

      Malone says he has a therapeutic in the pipeline (study ongoing). This is an obvious conflict of interest. Of course he’d love to see “the vaccines” banned. And he’s not going to say that c19 was nothing worse (or perhaps nothing different) than the common flu.

      Now, he states that he had really bad C19 early in 2020. But he still took the injection ??? And had a whole heap of life-threatening adverse reactions.

      Like – Really?? – (This was already my impression already when I first saw Malone on the dark horse podcast in June 2021)
      ( I listened again to the first half hour dark horse podcast with Steve Kirsch
      In that first half hour, Malone drops absolutely no hints that he himself had an adverse reaction.
      So by his own admission to Rogan, in June 2021 he was being at least sparing with the truth since he failed to reveal an important fact. More probably, he is a liar.
      … and that darkhorse podcast is just such an excruciatingly slow dance around an invisible elephant. Just the body language sets off all sorts of alarm bells with me.

      And he took nearly 1.5 years to say anything about this crap ????
      )

      Like – well before any vaccine was licensed, even lay-people outsiders with a scintilla of scepticism in them knew there were very good concerns about these injections. These concerns ran the whole gamet, from concerns about the companies involved (Moderna + BIoNTech never had a product before), through the mechanisms of action (many adverse reactions were predicted), to leaks (in the mainstream media) about problems and adverse reactions within the studies.

      Why would “an insider” who had already “had c19” (and thus already had immunity) take the jab. No way.

      He even talks about studies that confirm the harm, that people with prior immunity have worse adverse effects to the jab. Like DUH ????
      He even says that “it’s clear now that we have significant immune response to sars-cov-2 from normal (i.e. previous) coronavirus”. Like DUH ??? We knew that from the Diamond princess … way before you got your shot.

      It goes on and on and on. Malone is in-credible as a truth-teller. No doubt some things he says are true, but he is a dishonest actor who is shaping the conversation for goodness knows whose purpose.

3. OK…I’ve been speaking out on Malone’s substack, questioning his unswerving support of Desmet’s concept of mass formation. Now Desmet has responded to the Breggin’s book review! It’s on Malone’s substack. LOVE to get the Breggin’s response, in turn. Most of the substack reader responses are disappointing, as they unquestioningly side with Desmet without reading his book or the Breggin’s book review and believe him when he says the Breggins did not agree to his request for a debate. Then, lots of folks say they’re “heartbroken” to see a rift in the freedom movement. This is all case in point to me that most people are pretty weak on the critical thinking front. Intellectual debate is always a good thing!

4. Thank God for the Peter and Ginger Breggin! I cannot over emphasize how important this is. I was vaccine injured in 1999. I have chronic conditions which require seeing my primary doctor and specialists at 68, my husband as well at 79. Last week I had an overdue standard eye exam at ECVA Eyecare with an MD in Williamsville, NY. At checkout they scheduled my next appointment. I asked for a hardcopy of my patient summary which is my standard practice. Upon reviewing it at home I noticed a section for “Review of Systems” ratings on “Neuro/Psych Exam” and “Mood/Affect” for an eye exam! It stated “Patient not experiencing any problems, patient is alert and oriented to time, place and person; mood pleasant”. With mental health the target some suggestions: always ask for patient summaries and records, I dress for all my appointments like I am going on a sales call, bring a partner, faithful person with you. My husband and I always go together on major appointments. Being a member of the 1st Spiritualist Church in E. Aurora. NY and also attending Catholic mass, I tell all my doctors of my faith and major activity in our church in a subtle way. I also wear nice religious, subtle jewelry. It seems to keep me protected. All my doctors here are Catholic or another denomination. Buffalo, Western NY is known for its high number of churches. After living in atheist Mill Valley. CA, Marin County for 34 years and moving back home 4 years ago it’s a blessing, like time stopped in 1954 since traditions continue here. None question my refusal to vaccinate since it is on my official records which I bring to every doctor’s appointment in my leather portfolio. I prepare and approach every appointment like when I was a computer consultant. I could write a book on my experience and the deep state tactics I survived in the medical complex. And as always, thank you Catherine. A longtime subscriber. I tell people your insight saved my life. Hearing you on the radio on KPFA was indeed divine intervention. This is just my story so I understand everyone is on their own journey.

   1. Jesus! Sending prayers for your protection. Excellent that you keep copies of records.

5. Thank you for posting this interview. I had heard the conversation with Peter and Catherine and also listened to Peter and Ginger on America Out Loud but this discussion finally gave me clarity on his views and how they differ from Desmet. And, with this clarity I couldn’t agree more with your articulated premise, Peter ?? I am looking forward to listening to the audible version of you new book that I just purchased ?

6. Although Etienne La Boetie saw an aspect of the tyrannized populace as deriving secondary benefit from the actions of despots- like an academic accommodating forced vaxes to keep his tenure, perhaps- this quote from his writing rings true:
   “Resolve to serve no more and you are at once freed.”
   This appeals to the individual heart, unlike Marx’s admonition to the crowd to unite to cast off their chains… an appeal to the “masses” not unlike Desmet. So, first find your freedom within- then look around for your tribe.

7. Of course, it’s not us, it’s them the predators. Let’s keep projecting and looking at the world in a fragmented way.

   “In other words, there is no “mass hypnosis”. There is no “madness of crowds”. There is no psychosis. People were – and are – simply acting out of fear and self preservation.”

   No, people are not acting simply out of fear. Look around you. People are deeply delusional. Predators and victims are two sides of the same coin, we should all stop playing this game. Every inner exploration modality (even mainstream religions) for thousands of years reaches the same conclusion: we live in a trance.

   The easy way out is to blame the bad guy. The problem is that at times we are all the bad guy as well.

   1. Suggest you watch the lectures by Giordano and Morgan at the bottom of the links https://home.solari.com/blast-from-the-past-week-of-august-15-2022-mind-control-tactics/

      1. Yes, mind control and all kinds of other forms of control are real. Yes, mr global and his entourage are criminal and are responsible for their acts, and they’re doing everything in their power to deepen our confusion and powerlessness.

         We keep projecting our problems on those at the perceived top for thousands of years. Revolution after revolution, where are we now? There is a slow evolution, but very slow and painful. After each revolution we fall back into the same patterns. Because it’s not those at the top that determine the pattern, it’s all of us. Those at the top are very good at taking advantage of a given pattern, and at maintaining the status quo, but they don’t creat the pattern itself.

         On one hand this is depressing, because we are facing a much bigger problem than overthrowing a bunch of psychopaths. On the other hand this is empowering. We are are not powerless victims, we can recognize these patterns, in society and without ourselves, and start breaking free from them. As below, so above. It goes both ways.

         Desmet started an interesting conversation. It will take a lot more until we figure out what’s going on with us. Let’s not attack each other.

         1. People and theories that weaponize mental health and mislead regarding the control grid will be subject to illumination here. We are not into unification. We are into integrity. From what I can see, Desmet did not start a conversation, rather the mass formation theory was used to try to smother the real developing conversation.

            1. Please read Desmet’s reply:
               https://mattiasdesmet.substack.com/p/am-i-an-expert-in-mass-formation

               Integrity first, absolutely. And that includes each one of us. People have been cruel, they rejected family, forced people close to them into horrible situations and procedures. Mr Global manipulated and scared them? That means we have no agency and no responsibility whatsoever as individuals? Then there’s absolutely no hope for us.

            2. There is plenty of hope for us. I am afraid there is little hope for Desmet. 🙂

8. Why are many people so self absorbed projecting self obsession but having a hard time being selfish exerting integrity thus projecting responsability?

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