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“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” ~ Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

By Catherine Austin Fitts

I used to live in a first-world country. If I picked up the phone and made a call, it went through. If someone said they would come by to pick up a package by noon, I could count on it. If a stranger came to my house, they had a social or civil purpose—something other than picking up extra cash by turning me in for a regulatory violation or reporting on my personal habits to someone who slipped them money on the digital smartphone. If I bought a package of meat or fish in the supermarket, I did not worry about whether it was real and whether or not it was safe to eat. If I went outside to ride my bike or go for a jog, I did not have to give up and come back indoors because the spraying of heavy metals was so heavy that I couldn’t exercise without coughing. Nor was I required to pretend such things were not happening to maintain my social standing.

For reasons that we cover regularly on The Solari Report, most of us are swimming in a sea of environmental, legal, regulatory, and cultural pollution. These problems, along with the explosion of new technology and technocracy around us, make it easy to become frustrated and let our standards go-acculturating to a debasement of standards.

Seeking integrity demands that we maintain a high learning metabolism; this can be time-consuming and also requires greater reliance on others to help us understand and deal with fast-unfolding developments. However, integrity is also its own reward. If we do our best to maintain integrity in our individual dealings and try to limit our dealings to people and institutions that do their best to maintain integrity, it increases our ability to access divine intelligence. In short, integrity is a pathway with which we can access a much greater power—one that the hypermaterialists and transhumanists (or subhumanists as Thomas Meyer calls them) around us cannot access. It is a power that we need – and that is ever more delightful to access in these trying circumstances.

Thomas and I discussed these issues earlier this year in our interview on the Story of Gideon. This included a discussion of the “Midianite” phenomenon—something we are watching with the Epstein affair, the suiciding of New York policemen, and mob wars breaking out across the planet.

I was just in Basel for another week with Thomas—what a privilege this was! Thomas took time out from his busy schedule publishing The Present Age, leading his fascinating circles and salons and lecturing around the world (just back from Finland, next headed to China) to speak with me about integrity. How do we nurture our integrity and that of those around us? The rewards of maintaining integrity—which I define as both competency and ethics—are significant.

I always leave my discussions with Thomas refreshed and restored.

Our Blast from the Past this week is The Future of Europe—my discussion with Thomas Meyer in early 2018.

Our movie this week is Loving Vincent—a remarkable animation of the life of Vincent Van Gogh. It is the first painted animated feature film ever made. You can read more about Van Gogh in Nina Heyn’s Food for the Soul columns covering our visit to the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam this past spring and on the Paris digital exhibit we will see in September.

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  1. this conversation with Thomas Meyer has profoundly enhanced the direction and understanding of real power and the world of humility, surrender,and direction of my life.I pray for another session with him and Him[the Devine Intelligence]to realize the direction of my own research to include Emerson,Christ and the demons of arimon.the power that exists with regard to The Devine intelligence.right on target.Stiener and others are on my study radar.Thank you Catherine for all you do.

  2. This conversation was enlightening. I am interested in learning more about the divine spark that is in people. Can you recommend any books that dig deeper on this topic for the layman?

    1. I would recommend reading the Bible from cover to cover or listening to some of the great preachers speak about these issues – as well as the books that were edited out such as the Book of Enoch and the Book of Thomas. I have Dr. Farrell’s book to read which I expect will be helpful https://godhistorydialectic.wordpress.com/ – I would also explore Jon Rappoports audios and work on the power of imagination. Thomas Meyer would recommend Steiner – you might start with the Mystery of Golgatha. George Fox and the early Quakers had very strong ideas about divine spark. For years, I explored the Essenes. I am the wrong person to ask for source – my best sources were walking through the fire and extensive praying and listening to sermons as I did. It is not a source I would wish on anyone – except for prayer. We each have to find our individual pathway, and prayer works in doing so.

      Anyone else have recommendations? Please jump in….

      1. Catherine

        I appreciate the feedback. Lots of to sources to go through. I have the opinion that you’re the right person to ask, given your past experiences. Thank you

        1. Well, if you are looking for field testing as opposed to scholarship, I am a source. Also, I love the Pitis Sophia. Ulrike is a great teacher of both the Pitis and the Keys of Enoch. She will be teaching a workshop in Chartres in October on the names of God that I will be attending.

          1. Field testing is an exceptionally useful way to understand things on an individual basis in my experience, not to ignore the value of the scholarship path. Seems to me that the journey is very personal, that it can be combined with the intellectual and conceptual understandings. Can you give a greater overview about attending these sessions?

      2. Hi all, there is a passage in Steiner’s book “Christianity as a Mystical Fact” which is I found fascinating and perhaps of interest here – in this passage Steiner quotes himself from St Augustine’s Confessions…In referring to Augustine, Steiner writes (Chapter 7):

        “For him (Augustine) it was firmly established that in Christ Jesus there had been revealed in the outer historical world what the mystic had sought through preparation in the Mysteries. One of his (ie Augustine’s) most significant utterances is the following: “What is now called the Christian religion already existed among the ancients, and was not lacking at the very beginnings of the human race. When Christ appeared in the flesh, the true religion already in existence received the name of Christian.” Two paths of development were possible for such a mode of thinking. One is that if the human soul develops within it the forces leading it to the cognition of its true self, if it but goes far enough, it will also come to cognition of the Christ and of everything connected with him. This would have been a Mystery knowledge enriched through the Christ event. The other way is that actually taken by Augustine, by which he became the great example for his successors. It consists in cutting off the development of the forces of the soul at a certain point and in receiving the ideas connected with the Christ event from written accounts and oral traditions. Augustine rejected the first way as springing from pride of soul; he thought the second way was the way of true humility. Thus he says to those who wished to follow the first way: “You may find peace in the truth, but for this, humility is needed, which does not suit your proud neck.” On the other hand he was filled with boundless inward happiness by the fact that since the “appearance of Christ in the flesh” it was possible to say that experience of the spiritual can be attained by every soul which goes as far as it can in seeking within itself, and then, in order to reach the highest, has faith in what the written and oral traditions of the community of Christians tell about the Christ and his revelation. On this point he says: “What bliss, what abiding enjoyment of supreme and true good is offered to us, what serenity, what a breath of eternity! How shall I describe it? It has been expressed, as far as it could be, by those great incomparable souls who we admit have beheld and still behold … We reach a point at which we acknowledge how true is what we have been commanded to believe and how well and beneficiently we have been brought up by our mother the Church, and of what benefit was the milk given by the Apostle Paul to the little ones …”

        (SNIP)

        Steiner continues: “Whereas in pre-Christian times one who wished to seek the spiritual foundations of existence was necessarily directed to the way of the Mysteries, Augustine was able to say, even to those souls who could find no such path within themselves: Go as far as you can on the path of cognition with your human powers; from there, faith (belief) will carry you up into the higher spiritual regions. — It was only going one step further to say: It is in the nature of the human soul to be able to arrive only at a certain stage of cognition through its own powers; from there it can advance further only through faith, through belief in the written and oral tradition. This step was taken by the spiritual movement which assigned to natural perception a certain sphere above which the soul could not rise by its own efforts, but everything which lay beyond this sphere was made an object of belief which has to be supported by written and oral tradition, and by faith in its representatives. Thomas Aquinas (1224–1274), the greatest teacher of the Church, has set forth this doctrine in the most varied ways in his writings. Human perception can only attain to that which led Augustine to self knowledge, to the certainty of the divine. The nature of the divine and its relation to the world is given by revealed theology, which is not accessible to man’s own perception, and as an article of faith, is superior to all cognition.”

        So this Steinerish contribution to this thread. Catherine’s uses simpler words: each must find their own path 🙂

        Personally, as i dig for more and more truth on spiritual matters, I think one cannot go wrong in studying the writings and lives of the Church Fathers, the early Christian martyrs, Thomas Aquinas (simplified versions of his monumental works are also available: My Way of Life Pocket Edition), and the life of past and current Christian mystics.

        I must be overbudget wordwise in this entry !! Sorry bout that, point was simply to share the Steiner passage…

        1. Thanks for posting! No word budget here. I just got the complete works of Aquinas. Just need time!

      3. Chuck Missler, an engineer and former businessman who has a passion in the study of the Bible.

  3. Dear Catherine and Thomas,
    Thank you very much for another epic conversation.
    Isn’t integrity nothing more, and nothing less, than living in harmony with one’s soul?
    Namaste

    1. Yes….figuring out HOW in a complex world gets a bit, well, complex! Like finding Ranch Dressing in Hong Kong. 🙂

  4. That was wonderfully refreshing, I love these spiritual talks.
    I lack understanding of finance, Wall St etc, so I was fascinated to hear what an essential quality integrity is to making deals. I had no idea.
    Mr Meyer’s contribution was equally interesting. I can easily believe that lies create negative beings. His terminology is foreign to me but those beings sound similar to what I would call parasites. These are very real beings; he is right to say our souls live in a sea of pollution. It’s good to remember that there are beautiful, wise, helpful daimons too and they will assist us if we ask them.
    I can attest to those miracles that you have experienced Catherine as I’ve experienced some too. When you’ve been through that process several times it is hard to fear. This isn’t to say I don’t feel trepidation when I face destitution again, of course I do. But the miracles keep coming and I trust more each time.
    It registered during your talk that I’m going through a beatdown and this is why I’ve been feeling so beaten up recently! I never had a word for it before. Now I can at least check the library here and work out a way through.

    So I came out of this talk with action steps. I am looking forward to putting them into practice. Thank you so much.

    Jane

    Ps: I think you are doing a fine job of explaining the importance of integrity. It may take time for everyone to get it so repeating the message makes sense. As Mr Meyer said Steiner constantly repeated important truths.

  5. Wonderful, breezy conversation with Thomas Meyer. Thanks for that.
    Because of the topics covered, I kept expecting to hear Emmanuel Swedenborg come up. Maybe worth asking Thomas to cover in future discussions(?)
    Also, given Thomas’ interest in Western “philosophers” (i.e., Emerson, etc.), the elephant in that room is Joseph Smith and Mormonism, the enduring impact of which has dwarfed all other 18th-19th century Age of Enlightenment movements. In that regard, I can’t help but wonder what Thomas might offer on that topic.
    Btw, if I’m not the only one and your subscribers actually listen to this type of subject matter, please keep it coming.

  6. When I went to see the Mona Lisa (pre glass case) at the Louvre with other landscape architectural students, 1976, I stood there and thought, “Ok. There it is. I really don’t feel anything but it is interesting”. I walked into the Tulieries alone, made my way up the stairs and came immediately face to face with a self-portrait of Vincent and burst into tears. I could feel his sadness, his self doubt, his pain. I will never forget it. As a painter and designer, Vincent is the artist that said the most to me in France.

  7. From a Subscriber:

    Catherine

    Your most recent Thomas Meyer interview was exceptionally informative. We are fortunate for having his wisdom. I want to comment on the audible frustration I could hear in your voice when you were discussing how you feel unable to communicate certain concepts to the Solari community. When I wrote to you about the Productivity Backlash, and meritocracy vs technocracy, I wasn’t expecting to hear an accurate psychological analysis of my mindset. Yes, you are correct. Having no understanding of the power that a person has is not a good thing. You pointing that out, is very mind-opening in furthering my learning in things I did not learn from a non useful childhood. Sometimes a very blunt statement is best!

    This email is being written to inform that, in my opinion, you have not failed in any way to communicate your complex and insightful ideas. If anything, you are taking on a difficult task and performing it admirably well. I believe that you have ideas that are very foreign to some people, which requires them to rethink existing values and opinions. While still working on improving myself, and my understanding of what it is to be human – your opinions have been a great asset ( example : building a human society seemed like a novel concept when I first heard it long ago, I have fully embraced this as something to be necessary and beautiful )

    Solari has proven to be MUCH more informative than I initially thought it would be upon subscribing – personally being focused on the physical world, while unaware and naïve to the deeper spiritual. You are helping out in more ways than you may be aware of!

    Keep on doing what your doing!

    PS Feel free to post or edit this as you see fit. If it helps others, including yourself, it has served its purpose. Your repeated mention of JS Bach, and links to beautiful music has reignited my love of Classical music. It has been dormant for a long time. I bought a piano last year and have been learning the Goldberg variations. Very soul rejuvenating. I wondered why I have heard Bach as an intro to Solari Reports. Must be to get the audience into a ‘ higher mindset ‘ I do hope that you are aware of the positive force that you are. You are a rare person.

  8. Another fascinating book: The Fellowship, The lives of the Inklings, J.R.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, Owen Barfield, Charles Williams
    by Philip & Carol Zaleski
    The Inklings discussed literature, religion, and ideas; read aloud from works in progress; took philosophical rambles in woods and fields; , enjoyed companionship and criticism; and in the process, rewrote the cultural history of modern times.

  9. I enjoyed your interview with Thomas Meyer. I have been convinced that it is absolutely essential for all of us to discover what is good in our universe. We are all surrounded by evil and have no real way to fight it in a material way. If we cannot understand spiritual holiness we will not be able to withstand all of this.
    This is also very difficult. Is literal belief in the bible necessary? Most of the people in the world have lost confidence in the church and really do not know where to look. Your experiences of doing the right thing under extreme pressure and having doors open to you is very interesting and uplifting.

    1. I do not believe that literal belief in the bible is necessary. When I studied the Bible we were required to read the parts that were edited out, including the Book of Thomas and the Book of Enoch. I spent quite a while reading the Essenes. I do not believe any book literally which was edited by both the Vatican and Church of England. 🙂

      There is a tremendous amount that can be gained from reading and studying spiritual texts. You just have to make your way with prayer and discernment and do your best to screen out the efforts to use your hunger for the divine to control and manipulate you.

      There are lot of great preachers. You don’t have to agree with everything to learn tremendous amounts.

      What had the most impact for me was the actual experience of operating by faith rather than sight. This is where the great preachers helped me. They really somehow instilled the important lessons and related scripture in my spirit.

      Good place to start – Pastor Tim Keller’s series on Proverbs. You used to be able to get it on his website. Series of 20+ audios. Amazing.

      1. The bible paints a very consistent picture of who God is, who we are, who the enemy is, and what we need to do in this life to be saved.A lot of that you seem to be throwing out but holding on to some other things. This is foreign to me and I am sure a lot of others with a similar background. I and many others think you either accept it all or reject it all. Are you saying that each person has to develop the discernment to figure out the truth on their own if they are to make any progress in this life?

        1. If I could only take one book with me to read for the rest of my life it would be the Bible. So I hold it in very high esteem. However, any book that was edited by the Church of England and the Vatican is a book to be read with discernment. We are each sovereign individuals and we are responsible for what we believe, what we know, and what we do – and to the extent possible integrating those three.

          If you look at the people who edited the Bible as well as those who run the churches and the related endowments that use the Bible, their behavior clearly indicates that they don’t practice what the Bible says. To me that means they don’t understand it, let alone believe it.

          I don’t think accepting the Bible is a 0 or 1 proposition. I believe I am responsible to create a direct relationship with God – and that is my primary source. I read the Bible for guidance and understanding. I agree with much. I believe some very important things were edited out – my chief concern with the Bible is material omissions – and some I don’t understand. I never worry about the parts I don’t understand – I figure I have enough in this lifetime to try to live up to the teachings of Christ and embracing the covenant of Grace.

          Joseph thinks I would be much better off if I could take time and seriously study theology. I agree with him – question is when/how to create the time. I just got the Complete Works of Aquinas – they are in the pile.

          In the meantime, my focus is to do a better job of living according to Christ. I see enormous opportunity for improvement. For me, Christ’s teachings are best understood by living them.

          It’s a humbling experience.

  11. I did not know we are living in the Age of Michael. I have been busy mapping the darkness to be able to see it I temporarily set aside studying Steiner.
    This was exactly what I wanted and needed to hear.
    Thank you Catherine and Thomas.

  12. Why can’t you win in the material world?

    Isn’t the material world a manifestation of the spiritual?

    If, according to Steiner, Atlantis was destroyed because of the spiritually errant population of the time (us, in a previous incarnation?), wasn’t that a correction in the physical world from the spiritual (Earthquakes and the like? Human/animal chimeras is mixed in somewhere in there, right out of today’s headlines.)?

    How can you summon economics as an accurate bellwether of events if you can’t win in the physical world?

    Is ecology ultimately sustainable? Physical life organizes. That’s the opposite of entropy. From what root does physical life as an organizing principle emerge?

    As above, so below! I think your hierarchy is conceptually twisted, if the physical cannot be in alignment with the spiritual.

    How about a Jesus question(?):
    Why would the meek inherit the earth if you can’t win in the material world?

    1. When he says, Steiner goes to the source, he’s not repeating, that is profound.

      Thank you, Catherine, very stimulating conversation to publish.

    2. We can win in the material world AFTER we will in the spiritual world. Spiritual is the higher power.

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